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Elmo's Not Just a Muppet: Estonia's Remote Driving Solution

• In Wheel Time | Automoitve show by Don Armstrong, Michael Marrs, and Jeff Dziekan • Season 2025 • Episode 222

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The future of transportation isn't what you think. While autonomous vehicles grab headlines, a different revolution is already happening – remote driving technology that puts humans behind virtual wheels, controlling vehicles from anywhere on earth.

ooSpeaking with Enn Lans, CEO of Estonia-based Elmo Remote Driving, we discovered a technology that's not just theoretical but actively deployed and road-legal since 2022. Unlike the still-developing autonomous systems, Elmo's technology creates a seamless connection between remote drivers and vehicles, with applications spanning car rentals, taxis, mining operations, and even defense sectors in conflict zones.

What makes this technology particularly fascinating is its practical approach to solving real transportation problems. Imagine renting a car that arrives at your doorstep, driven remotely by an operator who then relinquishes control to you. When you're finished, you simply end your session, and a teledriver takes over again. For taxi services, companies can tap into global workforce pools, potentially transforming the economics of an industry perpetually challenged by driver shortages.

The affordability is striking – retrofitting costs approximately 10% of a vehicle's value, working with both gasoline and electric vehicles. The only real limitation is manual transmissions, which would require robotic manipulation to operate remotely.

Beyond the transportation industry insights, our show featured Jeff's fascinating exploration of rare muscle car colors – from the eye-catching Pink Panther Duster to the screaming Orbit Orange GTO that collectors now pursue with passion. And as Texas temperatures climb, Mars shared perfect swimming destinations across the state where you can cool off, from Austin's historic Deep Eddy Pool to the pristine Blue Hole in Wimberley.

Want to learn more about how remote driving technology could transform your business or daily transportation? Visit elmoremote.com and discover how this Estonian innovation is changing the way we think about who's really behind the wheel.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to another In Wheel Time podcast, a 30-minute mini version of the In Wheel Time Car Show that airs live every Saturday morning 8 to 11 am.

Speaker 2:

Welcome to the avoid-winning.

Speaker 1:

In Wheel Time Car Talk Show We've got the founder of a company that allows remote operation of vehicles. Kind of a scary thing, but got somebody you want to jack with and later Jeff will bring us some of his car culture rare colors of muscle cars, and Mr Mars has driving destinations. Howdy Along with Mike out of this world, mars. We always need more. Jeff Zekin, I'm Don Armstrong. Thanks so much for joining us for our live broadcast today. We've been dead at least once in this program for a few minutes with Nick Kappa and I apologize for that, but you know it never fails when we go on remote and we come back we've missed a plug, we didn't plug something in right, or somebody kicked something and got us off the air, which isn't the first time that's happened.

Speaker 3:

We've got a new segment. Guess what goes wrong. Next, chime in.

Speaker 1:

Let us know we won't be able to hear it, because we won't be on the air.

Speaker 3:

Meteorites, locusts, I don't know, maybe snakes coming in a potato famine, who knows? So since Mr.

Speaker 4:

He's having a little issue getting here, but we're working on it.

Speaker 3:

Okay, so he's having a little issue getting here, but we're working on it, okay, so he's, he's working on trying.

Speaker 1:

Okay, he's in the area, all right. Well, as long as they're working on it because I was going to break out the sold cars roundup, I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get this in, okay we're gonna do that you want to do that right now well, uh, let's give it a whirl try it. Give what a whirl. Give that a whirl. Okay, let's give it a whirl. So I got to find it.

Speaker 3:

Hold on it's.

Speaker 1:

Hemings Sold Cars Roundup. And the Sold Cars Roundup include cars that have been sold on Hemingscom, and I let the boys kind of guess at what the car got sold for Bringing it right up, and so the first one out of the box this morning is a 1959 Pontiac Star Chief.

Speaker 3:

Oh man, look at that. How gorgeous that is.

Speaker 1:

Big, wide whites, the whole nine yards. I mean this is direct from 1959. It looks completely stock and restored. I like it. How much do you think something like that monster would cost you?

Speaker 3:

Well, if you bind it by the foot, yeah, yeah, because I don't would that even fit in today's garage? Probably not, but I'm going to go $39,000. I'm going for it $39,000.

Speaker 1:

$39,000. Mr Mars, what do you think?

Speaker 4:

I'm thinking more like $28,000.

Speaker 1:

$28,000. Well, you're getting closer, okay, because that car sold for $22,365,000.

Speaker 3:

Well, there you go, I would have overpaid?

Speaker 1:

No, but what I'm saying is that that would have been something right up your alley. It is. You'd have to do a lot of rearranging the garage at your house. I'd have to take the door off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Or only let the door come down just above the trunk, as it's sticking out.

Speaker 3:

And on the other side of the wall is, you know, a family area. So I have to get rid of that, just for the car.

Speaker 1:

Right, all right. Well, we're going to get back to that. Okay, we're going to get back to the Soul Cars Roundup, because we— Okay we got a guest.

Speaker 4:

I think that we do have a guest okay uh, mr mars, you want to introduce the guest, or you want me to? Uh, I'll let you, because I'm making a change right here.

Speaker 1:

Okay, he's making a change right here. I'm trying to.

Speaker 4:

I got to get him to unmute what I'm trying to do. I see.

Speaker 1:

So you need to unmute yourself. And there he is all right, okay, now I can.

Speaker 1:

Uh, there we go, all right. So our guest this hour is Mr N Lansu, ceo and founder of Elmo Remote Driving a scary, scary thing for us here in Texas, and we're going to try to understand what you have come up with, because it's a thing called the Elmo remote car sharing. And when I said Elmo, I don't know what it actually stands for, if anything. But they all said, oh, we're going to talk to that blue cookie monster looking thing or whatever it is on Sesame Street called Elmo, and there's no offense intended here, but you know, there we just have small minds we have small minds that we're going to find out from you, and thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 1:

Where are we speaking to you from today?

Speaker 2:

Hi guys En here and you have a live connection with Estonia. Estonia very good. Yes, if you have a small mind, then we are a small country, one of the smallest ones in Europe. And greetings for you at 7 pm.

Speaker 1:

At 7 pm in Estonia.

Speaker 3:

Welcome to our studio.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, welcome to our hot studio here. It's going to be 95 degrees here in Texas today. It's going to be 95 degrees here in Texas today, but anyway, let's talk about the remote driving setup. Why?

Speaker 2:

was this necessary to perfect this Good question and I think you are starting from the right beginning. Why remote driving? Why not autonomous? So this is one of the most popular questions, what we have the last five years heard. I think the answer is obvious. If we want to find the comparison with autonomous technology, then first of all, with all respect, we are great fans of autonomous technology, but the technology is not there yet and if you take those or put those aside, then we always recommend to our partners meaning clients, investors to think about where do you really need or where the autonomous technology makes sense in local transport, like buses, but during our lifetime. It doesn't make sense in car renting. It doesn't make sense, for example, in highway safety, where one of our trucks is operating in canada, or it doesn't make sense in your future in the defense sector and many other sectors. So it's much easier technology. It comes with a lower price tag and there are many use cases where remote driving is feasible and more reasonable than other technologies today.

Speaker 1:

So we could sit in our home with a monitor and drive this vehicle down the freeway.

Speaker 2:

Exactly. Wow, this is what, of course, you gave a very extreme example freeway high speeds but yes, that we have done already the last three years. We have been our core technology is road legal. We have been remote driving on public roads, in car renting renting a car and in many other sectors.

Speaker 1:

Now I know that this is a very serious company and a very serious business, but all I can think of is that I could get a car and say is that I could get a car and say, mike, I've got a car for you to drive this week, without any knowledge that he is going to be under my command and I can take the controls from him, and I can drive that car as fast or as slow as I want to on the freeway and get him 90 miles from where we are today and he would go, he would be frightened to death, knowing that I was driving him in a car.

Speaker 3:

I don't know if it works that way, Don.

Speaker 1:

It probably doesn't work that way, but that's where my sick mind goes. All right, so give me an example of somebody that would use a vehicle that was remotely driven of somebody that would use a vehicle that was remotely driven.

Speaker 2:

I think the practical experience is. Practical services where we are are the best examples Car rental If you rent a car today, you have to go and pick the car yourself, but with our technology the car is remotely controlled in into your doorstep. You still sit behind the steering wheel, you will make your ride, you will go to the beach, you will go to the forest, you don't want to rent it anymore. You will end the session and then our technology, or our service or our teletriver takes control over it and teletrives that to our next client's doorstep, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1:

It's very cool what I envision. This would be a perfect technology for the military, so you wouldn't risk a life, but I could get you know ammunition. I could get bombs from point A to point B without a human being driving it, except he would be could be thousands of miles away. He could be on the other side of the Earth.

Speaker 2:

This is, by the way, also what we are doing or what our technology is already doing. Cannot share a lot about that use case, but I can say you that we are also war-proven and actively used in some of the hot zones.

Speaker 3:

I see another way that this could be done in an industry of, say, like mining or forestry, where you've got a mine and you have these big trucks that you know, hundreds of thousands of capacity for dirt and things doing that, doing it remotely, to go through the mines and down into the structures, to not have that human interaction but be safer that way. That's what I see it.

Speaker 1:

Let me ask you this Speaking of human interaction, are there actual live drivers driving it remotely? Yes, yes.

Speaker 2:

I want that job. I think that's the core difference with other technologies. There is always a driver, hazard situations and in mining or we talked about in military, that is already used. But I would like to also give one of the examples. We are right now also in operations in taxi remote controlled taxi. So first, it doesn't make sense why. But imagine, or probably you know, that the weakest point in taxi sector is you lack motivated and reasonable drivers drivers. But if you can do driving from a very far distance, then you basically have an unlimited number of potential drivers who can be your workers, customers, drivers of the taxi. And in addition to that you can play with salary arbitrage. You're right now in the States. Probably the salary in one of your neighbor countries is a little bit lower, so that's also what we are doing right now.

Speaker 4:

Interesting. I'm kind of fascinated by it.

Speaker 1:

Well, I am too my mind is going about a thousand miles an hour.

Speaker 3:

The applications you could use for it?

Speaker 4:

yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's a remote driver and in the case of the example, you were talking about renting a car. So the remote driver is involved to get the car to you. He steps out of the way you drive it until you're through with it, right, and then you give it back and he picks it up again, takes over and to return it. So is that kind of so with the and I guess with the taxi, then the driver's there all the time exactly so you could actually run that taxi 24 hours a day what about fueling uh?

Speaker 3:

so the mike rents the car, he turns it in and the remote uh driver picks up that vehicle. How do they know? Is there technology built in Now my car? I can look at an app and say when's the next oil change, the oil levels, the gas, all that tire pressures. Is that part of the technology that the remote driver has.

Speaker 2:

Yes, we are even controlling rear window heating. Oh wow, yes, we have all the system. What the driver needs, he or she can see that on the remote driver's desk. So, yes, that information is available, but I think it's more. What you just wanted to clarify is if the tank or the it's running out of gasoline, so who's going to fill it up? That, I think, is maybe the weakest point, but luckily in some countries like the US, if the car is teledriven into the gas station, then in many gas stations there's someone who's going to do the job.

Speaker 4:

The old full service? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:

Either that, or if you had a fleet of these things, you would probably have your own fueling station. For instance, if it were a rent car at the airport let's say the airport place that you've kept these vehicles it would have its own fueling station, so when it came back it would have a place to get gas.

Speaker 4:

So we're saying that these are we're talking like gasoline motors. Are these electric vehicles or gasoline motors?

Speaker 2:

For us it doesn't matter. We are vehicle agnostic. We have retrofitted our technology to both of the cars gasoline, electric ones. So for us, the only thing what we try to avoid is manual gearbox, because then we need a robot hand. But all other things to control the car we are capable of retrofitting, but now we are just focusing on the gasoline. This is how to solve it. It's not a technical question.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I got a question. Yeah, a question came in from one of our Internet viewers. So, for example, a senior not to look at Don much, but a senior that's at home, they don't have a car, but they need to go to the doctor. That's at home, they don't have a car, but they need to go to the doctor. Is that kind of like? Can they get a remote?

Speaker 2:

car to come to them and get them, take them to the doctor and then bring them home. Yes, of course. Of course there is. If we just focus on the service, then technology is just making something with the service. But yes, yes, if we need to take the senior to the hospital, it's doable. But I will a little bit also play it around if there is a human with their wheelchair, then they can also be teledriver. That's also another positive side of our technology. So, yes, transporting a senior to the hospital, this is a no-brainer.

Speaker 1:

I understand.

Speaker 3:

I'm sorry, I was going to say how much are these? What does it cost to be involved in this, either for the driver or to own one?

Speaker 2:

I'm confident that you have a lot of our potential clients, your listeners, so roughly, the thumb rule is that it is in the range of 10% of the car's value. So if the car is, let's say, $40,000, then we are retrofitting the car in the range of 4,000 euros, $4,000.

Speaker 1:

Yes, but so affordable? I wanted to ask you one other thing, and I noticed in this bio here that it's already in use and road legal and operating in your country of Estonia.

Speaker 2:

Exactly, we are road legal. We are also. Elmo is the first company in the world whose road legal technology is already inactively used. It's used since 2022. So we have three years of experience from car sharing. We have experience from road safety sector. We have experienced clients from the safety sector, we have experienced clients from defense sector and now also we are in operations providing our technology and service for one taxi company.

Speaker 1:

Wow, absolutely, stunningly. Yeah, it's brilliant. And so for our listeners, our viewers, listeners, our viewers. Elmoremotecom.

Speaker 2:

We can find out all about this Exactly.

Speaker 3:

And for our female viewers. They can write love letters to Anne.

Speaker 2:

Whereabouts in.

Speaker 3:

Estonia, are you Capital, tallinn? Oh, so you're across the water from Helsinki?

Speaker 2:

Yes, oh, very good. More the water from Helsinki? Yes, exactly, modern. Welcome to visit us. We are a tech-savvy country. A lot of robots have been years already on public roads and I'm proud to be from Estonia and conquering the world with our technology.

Speaker 1:

Well, anne, it's a real honor and a pleasure, and what an education for you to join us this morning. We really do appreciate it. Let's be back in touch again soon and get an update on how things are going with you.

Speaker 2:

Super Guys, thank you, thank you very much.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, dan Lansun, from Estonia, talking to us.

Speaker 1:

Very interesting yeah, amazing. Just ahead Jeff's car culture and Mar's new feature driving destinations. The In Wheel Time Car Talk Show continues after this break. The Tex-Mex dining experience is defined by Loopy Tortilla your destination for Texas's best beef fajitas and frozen margaritas. Since 1983, loopy Tortilla has served authentic and time-tested recipes made with the freshest ingredients. Atmosphere is part of the award-winning experience at Loopy Tortilla, all developed in a little house near Highway 6 and I-10 in West Houston. Visit any of the Loopy Tortillas and you'll see the same attention to detail in each and every location. Start your Loopy experience with queso flammeado and guacamole, along with a classic frozen margarita. Dine on famous loopy beef and chicken fajitas, or pepper shrimp brochette, or a fish or vegetarian entree, and finish with a scrumptious flan for dessert. Find Loopy Tortilla in Houston, college Station, beaumont, austin, san Antonio and Dallas-Fort Worth. There's a Texas location near you. The recipes are authentic and time-tested, the ingredients always fresh. Loopy Tortilla it's pretty good.

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Speaker 3:

You betcha. And here we go. First one out of the box. Now, we've all seen these colors. You don't know what codes they are, but here we go. 1970, plymouth Duster. We call this the Pink Panther, the 1970 Plymouth Duster and factory Pink Panther. Pink code FM3.

Speaker 1:

Hey everybody, look at my car.

Speaker 3:

Wondering what the code is Is one of the rarest, most eye-catching combinations to leave a Chrysler plant. While the Duster was designated as affordable, compact muscle car, ordering it in Pink Panther turned into a bold statement piece. The color was part of Mopar's high-impact paint lineup and officially only offered it for the short time in 1970. The next one on the block is a 70 Plymouth Cuda who figured In violet code FC7. Now in violet, also known as what Plum Crazy over a Dodge. It was one of Chrysler's high-impact colors but surprisingly, a few buyers ordered it in 70 Cuda. Most stuck with the Hemi Orange or Limelight, which was the green color, leaving the purple bruiser only to be the only one that's bold. I think that John Hovis got one.

Speaker 3:

I believe so he does. When paired with a 426 Hemi or even a high-compression 440 in violet gave the Cuda an unmistakable presence. That is a pretty car. I'd drive it.

Speaker 3:

Next one 70, chevelle SS in Tuxedo Black, which is paint code 10. Tuxedo Black sounds common but it's rarely chosen in 70, especially on the SS Chevelle. Gm's bright hues like Cranberry Red and Phantom Blue dominated the dealer lots, while fewer than one percent of the ss buyers opted for the deep formal black. When paired with an ls6 454 in a cowl induction hood, a black on black chevy ss became a menacing presence. It didn't need stripes or flare to make it a paint. There you go. Next one 69 dodgeger in R4 bright red with a white top. Bright red code R4 wasn't rare on its own, but paired with a white vinyl top and white interior you got a surprisingly uncommon setup for 69. Most buyers went with black or tan contrast instead of the high contrast combo. Add a 440 Magnum or a Hemi into the equation and you've got a charger that's hard to miss.

Speaker 3:

Next one Michael is a 1970 AMX. Big Bad Green is what they called this Paint code 00. Amc's Big Bad color lineup was in-your-face marketing moved on and a Big Bad Green was by far the boldest. Available in special order only this radioactive shade was rarely selected by AMX buyers, with fewer than 100 cars believed to have actually left the factory in this color. The AMX, with its two-seat layout a 390 V8, already stood apart from the pack Painted Big Bad Green, it became a statement car in every sense of the word. That's nice.

Speaker 3:

Another favorite of mine is a 66 Fairlane GT, ember Glow, code V. Ford's Ember Glow was one of those mid-60 colors that defines sort of like a description part copper, part bronze, part burnt orange. It was available on the 66 Fairlane GT, rarely seen on high-performance versions like the GT 390. With its 335 horsepower V8, bucket seats and optional GTA automatic, the Fairlane GT had solid muscle car cred, but painted in ember glow it looked like a concept car that slipped through the production line. And the last one is my favorite 70 Pontiac GTO in what Orbit Orange, code 5.

Speaker 3:

Looks yellow 05. Orbit Orange is hard to miss and that's exactly why so few buyers chose it. Available in 70, only the screaming high-letter shade was meant to grab attention, and it did Just not in big numbers. Combine the Orange Orbit with the Judge package and the Ram Air all that good stuff and you've got one of the loudest, fastest and rarest Pontiacs ever built. It was too much for most buyers, but 1970, who cares? Collectors are lining up for them today. How about that? Very nice, yeah, good stuff, well done. All right, thank you, sir. Well done.

Speaker 1:

All right, thank you, sir. Mr Mars has driving destinations this week. Cool places to cool off for this summer.

Speaker 4:

Go for it, and on a day like today I would really like to go to one of these places. So one of the things you can look at, particularly up and around the hill country, barton Springs Pool. Now, this is talking about places that you can actually go swimming different pools around the state of Texas. So Barton Springs is located in Zilker Park in Austin. It's a three-acre natural pool. It's fed by underground springs, stays 68 to 71 year-round, which makes it great for summer and you can actually go in the winter. It actually will feel warm at certain times. So the setting is scenic and serene, but it fills up fast on weekends, so you've got to arrive a little early if you're going to go there.

Speaker 4:

The other one that you can find up there is the Deep Eddy Pool. Now, this is Texas' oldest man-made swimming pool. The Deep Eddy is also spring-fed and it's known for its clear, cool water and its relaxing ambience. Now, this is near downtown Austin, so it's got swimming lanes, it's got shallow in for kids, grassy areas for lounging. It was built in 1915, and it carries a nostalgic charm and attracts a quieter crowd than its neighbor over in Barton Springs. Oh boy, from there we go over to Wimberley, where we're going to find the Blue Hole.

Speaker 4:

Now. The Blue Hole is a pristine swimming pool nested amongst towering cypress trees in Wimberley. It's got emerald-colored waters, iconic rope swings, the Swimming Hole is spring-fed and maintaining a cool 75-degree temperature. Now it's surrounded by parks, hiking trails, picnic lanes and it's got lots of courts. Got to make some advance reservations for this, because they limit it to 900 people a day is all that can get in there. Geez, wow. Now you go over to. From there you go over to Hamilton Pool Preserve. Now this is in Dripping Springs. Now it's a geological wonder because it features a collapsed grotto with a 50-foot waterfall that goes into a jade-colored pool. This is in Travis County. Sometimes, because of bacteria levels, swimmers aren't allowed in, but it's still worth a visit.

Speaker 1:

Martha, I got this kind of odor to me and I don't know exactly where it's coming from. You've been in that pool again, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4:

And then, if you're looking for something more park-like, Schlitterbahn over in New Braunfels, now this is the water park experience. It's consistently ranked among the best in the world. Located in New Bronzeville along the Comal River Comal it spans over 70 acres. It's got slides, it's got lazy rivers, kids areas.

Speaker 1:

Have you ever been there?

Speaker 4:

Been there once, but I was not in the water at the time?

Speaker 1:

Did you ever go tubing down the Comal?

Speaker 4:

Yes, I did. Yep, I liked that, but Slitterbond, I was there on a business trip, so I didn't actually get to participate in any of the activities that were there.

Speaker 1:

Well, that's too bad yeah.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought, but it didn't happen. They've got lodging. It's got log cabins. It's a really nice place. They have another one down in Galveston. If you're looking for something down in there, then from there, crouse Springs.

Speaker 4:

This is in Spicewood. This is a family owned operation. It's got 32 natural springs feeding into man-made and natural pools. It's a retreat Again. It's one of the spring waters. It stays around 68 degrees Fahrenheit year-round. It's got tent and RV camping. And then if you're looking for something that's a little further west Texas, then Balmora State Park. Now, this is way out in west Texas and I think there's a map going to come up here and it's the largest spring-fed swimming pool in the state and it's located in the desert and it was built by the Civilian Conservation Corps in the 1930s. The 1.75-acre pool is fed by springs. It holds 3.5 million gallons of water. Now, keep in mind that's a lot of water that ranges in temperatures from 72 to 76. Keep in mind, that's a lot of water that ranges in temperatures from 72 to 76. But 15 million gallons of water go through that place a day. There's a lot of water going through there in the water flow. So there's some cool places that you can go and cool off during the summer.

Speaker 1:

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