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A look at EV Charging with CerebrumX's Sumit Chauhan and a review of the 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee L!

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Charging your electric vehicle (EV) shouldn't be a guessing game, should it? You're about to glean  insights from Sumit Chauhan of CerebrumX who helps us understand some of EV charging times. He explains why plugging your EV at your convenience might not be the most cost-effective strategy, and how peak load times factor into this equation. Plus, we touch on the $200 registration fee imposed on Texan EV owners to compensate for lost gas tax revenue.

We also get a look into the world of CerebrumX's transformative technology designed to optimize EV charging costs. We discuss the potential repercussions of the looming reversal of electrification and EV subsidies, and how their app interacts with the grid to possibly reduce charging costs through tiered electricity plans. Could smart charging be the answer to easing pressure on our power grids? We also explore the benefits of this innovative app for both residential and enterprise customers. 

Ever wondered why electric company pricing structures seem so convoluted, especially when it comes to EV charging? Let's shed some light on how these models affect you, the consumer, and how CerebrumX is striving to enhance transparency, especially in the credit system for power returned to the grid. We also openly think about the prospect of circumventing the middleman entirely, enabling EV owners to use the power they generate for their own homes.

In our Feature segment, we have a look at the 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Summit Reserve 4X4 - a mid-size SUV that has grown into a 3-row vehicle.  It maintains the Jeep off-road chops with a new look that adds luxury styling that many people will find appealing.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to another In-Wheel Time podcast, a 30 minute mini version of the In-Wheel Time car show that airs live every Saturday morning 8 to 11 am Central.

Speaker 2:

Coming to you from the world famous sugar shack in Texas, usa. It's the In-Wheel Time car talk show. Joining us again is Summit Shohan from Cerebrum X talking about the optimal time to charge EVs. We'll have the upcoming events calendar. Mars is going to review the new Grand Cherokee and at the bottom of the hour we'll talk with Marco Ward and the EV Tech about charging stations and other electrical stuff. Plus, you'll hear from stories making automotive news Howdy, along with Mike Mars. We need more Jeff Zeek, and sitting in Don Armstrong's chair today is David Ainsley. Don is on vacation in Wisconsin wearing his cheesehead hat, and you are.

Speaker 3:

I'm Conrad Law.

Speaker 2:

Cheesehead, and yeah, welcome back. We've had Summit on before and we thought it was such a great interview. We wanted to have him on again from Cerebrum X and he's going to talk with us about the optimum times to charge EVs, but does he think it was a good episode to come back? Apparently?

Speaker 3:

so because he came back, All right there you go.

Speaker 2:

Other than when the battery says needs charge, like my phone does, what are the optimum times to recharge your EV?

Speaker 4:

Hi, good morning, and first of all, thank you for having me here, and me being here is a testament enough that I love being here.

Speaker 3:

So thank you.

Speaker 4:

So, in terms of the charging of the EV vehicles, as you would know, obviously there are two options. Right, you can use the public infrastructure where you have those public charging stations where you can go and plug in your car and get them charged. But most people, like all of us, what they would do is bring the car home. Let's say, you're working nine to six. What they would do is, as soon as you're home, you would plug in your car charger into the plug and that's how the charging goes. However, with Cerebrum X and our partners, we realize that that's not the optimal way to do things, because most times when you plug in your car, which is, let's say, the 6 pm, is when the peak load is being experienced by the grid, whether it's your state grid or the national grid or a specific regional grid that you're being charged on. Generally, when you plug your car in, normally it would be the highest tariff for the electricity that you're paying for. What would be optimal is that, irrespective of when I put my car on charging, if there is an intelligent system behind which can realize that, okay, this car needs probably two hours of charging and I know that it would be plugged in till, let's say 6 am in the morning. Also, I have the background knowledge that the tariff would be the lowest between 3 am and 5 am in the morning. Through an app, I can actually control when the charging is set to on, which would be turned on at the lowest tariff time, which is 3 am to 5 am. Irrespective when you plug in your car, it will only start charging when the tariff is at its lowest. That's the technology.

Speaker 4:

I think that you will start seeing more and more, as you would see the charges or the tariff for electricity go up. This is also going to go hand in hand with the fact that and I think I've spoken on this before as well that when you go to the gas station today for your non-EV vehicles, a part of what you pay for gas goes towards your road tax, whether it's the state or the federal road tax. In case of EV, that is obviously not happening. You're not paying any tariff towards the road tax because you're not going to the gas station at all. What the state and municipalities are going to do is, in time, they are going to levy the road taxes on to the charging that is happening on the cars. The point I'm trying to make is. Hence it becomes even more important that you have the optimal charging in terms of when the tariff is the lowest, so that at least you're not charged humongous cost for the charging based on whatever car you're driving.

Speaker 2:

Oh my gosh, you're telling me that the government's going to take money from us while we're charging our cars. Yes, surprise, surprise. I knew that was coming. Some of the reason for that is EVs, being a heavier vehicle, create more wear and tear on the roads and bridges. I don't know that. Everybody realizes that an EV is generally a pretty heavy vehicle, so the wear and tear of the roads and bridges is far greater as EV traffic increases.

Speaker 3:

So in the state of Texas just this yesterday, september the 1st, you go to register your EV. You're now going to pay an extra $200 for that registration to cover that road tax or that loss of revenue on the road tax to do the road work because of the extra damage that they do to the vehicle, because they're not collecting taxes, right, fuel sales.

Speaker 3:

So you were talking about an app to help you figure out the optimal time so that you don't have to set your alarm clock to get up at 3.15 in the morning to plug it in and turn it on. Is that something that is built into the car or you think is going to be built into the car?

Speaker 4:

It's not really anything that you need to built into the car, because that would be wasteful, because some people might use it, some other people might not use it, so why would you put that cost on every car? What we are intending to do is to put it as a smart plug-in on top of the car charger.

Speaker 4:

So, it would be something that would go on top of your regular charger, which you put on inside the charging point on the car, so that charging point will control using the app. Obviously that will control when the charging actually starts. At all other times it would be as if your car is unplugged. So it would be something that goes on top of the car charger like an add-on device. Or you could have a charger which is specifically designed for this at home as well, but in most cases what we feel it would be an add-on which goes on top of the charger as an aftermarket device.

Speaker 2:

So still, the app user is going to have to input the data on when their electric rates are lowest or their tariff rates are lowest.

Speaker 4:

No, so that's the beauty of it. The app itself is connected, on the back-end side, to the grid. They would know as to you only have to enter which municipality or which zip code you're living in, and so on and so forth, or the county that you're living in, who's your provider. We would know automatically what is the tariff that would be lowest at what point in the day, because on the back-end we are connected with the grid and that's what you're paying for. Obviously, it's a paid functionality, so that's what you're paying for, where you don't have to deal with anything. All you need to do is input two things where do you live, or what's your municipality and what kind of a car. This is because that would define the amount of charging that is required on the car on a daily basis.

Speaker 2:

Well, and if you've got one of those electric plans that are free nights and weekends, tie all that together and your cost of charging can be substantially reduced.

Speaker 3:

Plus you got the regular electricity and you got premium electricity and you have mid-grade. No, that's just premium High octane electricity.

Speaker 4:

You're absolutely right.

Speaker 4:

What we feel is and as you just pointed out yourself that right now we are in the mode where there are a lot of subsidies around electrification and electric vehicles, whether it is towards buying of cars or it is towards electrification or charging stations being installed at home.

Speaker 4:

Many states are giving subsidies on that. Very soon you will see that the cost will catch up with all those municipalities and the governments and it would go the reverse way. As you just pointed out, you'll have to pay more for electrification or for getting an electric vehicle, because this is not sustainable in the long run, all these subsidies around electrification, and what we do feel is the cost of electricity or the charging itself, whether it is on the public infrastructure or on your private infrastructure at home. Both tariffs will go up, either because you're paying an amount towards your let's say, your road taxes, or it might be just that everybody will start charging you more because they realize there are a lot of electrified vehicles that are being put on charge at home, which is obviously increasing on a daily basis. The whole unit economics of having a more tariff-based mechanism towards charging and helping you towards that cost is going to take part and it will be more beneficial to the end customers.

Speaker 2:

Like California and Texas, who notices a brownout at three o'clock in the morning? That's right, because at some point all of this, as the EV population increases, at some point the grid is going to be overworked. So spreading that out and having this app understand when that availability is there and moving your vehicle around to when the power availability is there so is this something Sebrum X is working on?

Speaker 4:

That is correct. We are already in the proof of concept phase for this technology and we are already working with our partners who give us information related to the different grids at a national level in North America. So this is already in the works. We should be launching this out in the next three to six months.

Speaker 3:

That's pretty good. So yeah, so will it be like I'm a residential customer. It'd be something that I can get.

Speaker 4:

Absolutely, this would be available to retail customers as well as, I guess, enterprise customers like fleets. Obviously, this would be even more pronounced because you have all your heavy vehicles that are plugged in for a longer duration and time and obviously you have a lot more vehicles to deal with as part of your lot management or what have you. So, absolutely, this would be available to end customers as well, as well as to other customers like fleet.

Speaker 2:

So in your device? Let's call it a device. Is that plugged in series to the charger to the car, or is it integrated into the charging station that's at the house?

Speaker 4:

So we are working on both versions of it, because some people might want it as part of, or let's say, some people who are developing car chargers. There are obviously third parties who develop or make car chargers.

Speaker 4:

So they would want this device to be installed for at the time of manufacturing itself. So that's what we would call the OEM version of things. But I think the most resonant version of this would be basically where you would have the end customer buy an aftermarket device that they can install onto any charger that you have installed at home. So we are working on both versions.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so that way it's not just on the new stuff, it's also retroactive back to the existing charging systems that you have already installed. That makes makes total sense. And then you know there's a projected cost savings based on what their electric rates are and stuff. So ultimately and I don't know what, I'm not asking what the charge would be for your device. You know, ultimately it somewhat pays for itself over a long enough period of time.

Speaker 4:

Oh, absolutely. I mean, I cannot give you the exact numbers of savings, you know I don't want to. I don't want to give you those numbers because I don't want to miscoat anything. But on an average, what should be a good number for you to know is from 6pm in the evening towards, let's say, 3am in the morning. For most grids or most municipalities, the tariff varies from anywhere between 10 to 20 percent Right. So, straight away, you know you would at least have a saving of that much, which is 10 to 20 percent, and then you can build another optimizations on top of it. You know if you're really savvy with the app and so on and so forth.

Speaker 3:

Oh well, how cool is that, yeah, and it kind of depends on your provider and what he's doing. Like, like we've got, I guess here in Houston y'all have got two or three different providers or something. Oh yeah, where I'm at over there a little bit closer to the border, you know, it's one.

Speaker 2:

That's the border of Louisiana.

Speaker 3:

Yes, and there's one provider and. But they do regulate the electricity between Texas and Louisiana because they provide in both sides of this, in both states and depending on where they're at who needs what. As to what energy they're sending over. Now I don't know that you get a different price. I know Louisiana has a different price structure because they're regulated a little bit differently than Texas is. Well, Texas has their own grid, but if the app and the system understands that.

Speaker 2:

it automates it for you and you don't have to be smart enough to figure out Right.

Speaker 3:

Right, whenever it changes or something, it'll pick up those changes, kind of like automatically update, like real live time.

Speaker 4:

Understand what the rate is that is correct and also a slightly unrelated point here. You know there is a lot of push towards solar panels as well, right? You? Which you install, you know, on top of your houses. Now, what you would realize is there are two types of installations, right, you know, one is where you install the solar power and that solar power powers a bit of your home itself, right? So the power that is being generated directly goes towards, let's say, powering your heater or your air conditioning or something like that, right?

Speaker 4:

But in most cases, you know, as you would expect, you know, the authorities have mandated that the power goes back to the grid, right?

Speaker 4:

So you don't actually get that power directly to your home, it goes back to the grid. And then you get credits which are similar to, let's say, you're powering 10 units of electricity back to the grid through your solar system. You would get 10 credits back, you know, to your electricity. The point I was trying to make is that is actually a little unfair, because 10 units of electricity, if they were powering your home, have a different cost or a different effect towards 10 units of credit that you might be getting for a higher price electricity that is being given back to you. There is a little bit of unit economics there as well. Why I'm mentioning this is in future we also want to work on a version where a charging station can directly be powered by solar energy as well, so that you can get that directly being powered on to have a storage system and you can directly use that for car charging at whatever time you plug it in. We're working on that version as well.

Speaker 2:

Your solar system charges into a battery and then your battery is used to charge your vehicle because at 3 o'clock in the morning the sun's not up and it can't charge with solar. That makes sense. It does, I just connect. Well in California, new houses are required to have solar. My daughter just bought a new house back April of last year and solar is required and, depending on the size of your house, as far as how many panels you have. But the setup is that the power generated goes back onto the grid.

Speaker 2:

It doesn't go into a storage device in her house. And then the electric companies, which out there is PG&E. They manipulate the system so it's most profitable to them. Like you're saying, if your solar power is being generated at the high peak hours at the highest tariff prices, that's not the credit you're getting is at the highest level. So and it's all about how does the electric company make money?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, that is absolutely right, and I stay in New Jersey and I can tell you that PG&E is the provider here as well, and they have two options that they give me. One is what they call clean power and the second is what is traditional power. And the clean power actually costs 1.2 or 1.25 times more than what the other power is, and the logic is, being a good global citizen, you should move to the clean power in the hope that in the future the prices would kind of even out and the clean power would become less expensive. But nobody has told me, or anyone for that matter, when, that is, whether that is three months, whether that is six months. So, yeah, there are all kinds of unit economics at work and we're just trying to reduce the cost at the unit level for all the customers per charge. That's all we can hope to do.

Speaker 2:

And when do you anticipate rolling out a consumer product availability?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, so we are planning for this to go out in three to six months. As I mentioned, obviously this depends on some level of testing that we are undergoing across North America along with our partners. So three to six months is the timeline that we've set ourselves.

Speaker 3:

So sometime in the spring, very cool. Yes, yes, very good, very good. Yeah, the other thing I was going to ask you what was the other thing I was going to ask you about the? So when you're talking about the electric companies because, like, here we get a fuel, we have a fuel charge, the price of fuel to generate electricity goes up. That's passed along to the consumer. So you know, you may some much looks like you're paying more for the fuel than you are for the electricity they actually generated with it. So from your perspective, do you see relieving that? I mean, if the electric company takes the power you're generating, then you're sending it back and then they're sending it back to you. Literally is what it amounts to. So then it comes in and goes in through your to charge your car, yep, do you see any impact there from that perspective?

Speaker 4:

So, as I said, that is a little, I would say, non-transparent, because you know the number of units that you plug back in into the grid and the amount of electricity that you get back.

Speaker 4:

You know, as, in terms of number of units back into the charging, you know is not very transparent. We are not really aware of how that credit system really works. At the end of the day, what you get is, you know, basically a report which says that so many units of electricity were powered back into the grid by your solar system, for example, and so many units were credited back to you. But in terms of the actual cost arbitrage between the two, you know I will have to say that there is very less transparency there and I think the best mechanism there would be if the solar power can be directly sent back to your homes to power a part of your homes or whatever device, whether it is your charging station or your heater or your air conditioning or whatever. Whatever have you. You know that would be much better, you know, for the consumer. You know in all respect.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, if I'm producing it, I should be able to keep it and use it for myself, not just give it back to somebody who's going to charge it to give it back to me at some point in the future. Yeah, take the middle man out of it that is correct.

Speaker 3:

Well, Summit, it's always great talking to you. You're a wealth of information every time we do talk to you and we appreciate you taking the time on a Saturday to join us Always learn something.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2:

And I've posted your link of a Cerebrumai on our social media as well. We kind of showed a picture of your website. You know, if people want to learn more about it, there's an opportunity for them to go online to learn a lot more about it. Looks like they can sign up on an email newsletter as well. So all those because we know we have a fair following of EV people that watch the show give them an opportunity to be maybe first on the list when you're looking for early adopters of your system that want to get in. So thank you very much, summit. Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4:

Have a good weekend you too.

Speaker 3:

You're on the In Wheel Time car show. If you'd like to get in touch with us, shoot us an email. The address is info at inwheeltimecom. Be sure to follow us on Facebook. Got to subscribe, got to subscribe. You bet and time. Now we're going to do the events calendar. How's that? All right, we know there's one tomorrow.

Speaker 2:

Yes, coffee and Chrome at the Avalon. Chrome and coffee, coffee. Okay, chrome and coffee at the Avalon Diner, which is basically the intersection of 59 slash 69 slash Southwest Freeway and a highway 90 right there, it's on one road.

Speaker 3:

We just named the same road three times.

Speaker 2:

Right there on the south side of the Fountain's shopping center, generally a pretty good turnout with a wide variety of cars. So if you're looking for something to do tomorrow morning, come on out and check it out. Right there you can be signing hero cards.

Speaker 1:

Yes, I am.

Speaker 2:

No, I'll be signing yours. Other events are October 7th is the Mustang Club of Houston's fall open car show at Planet Ford up in spring. October 14th is the all British car show at the Butler House at Gosling Road, just north of 99. October 20th is the 38th annual Wolf Creek car and bike show at Wolf Creek Park in Cold Spring, texas. The Clear Lake car show is September 23rd at 7am at the Elks Lodge in Kima. Saturday September 16th is the Schulenberg take flight cruise. It's going to be leaving the Buckeys and Waller at 830, headed out to Schulenberg. That'll be a fun little drive. Also Saturday September 16th is the Texas Gator Fest car show at Fort Anowak Park in Anowak, texas, kind of headed out there a little bit towards Mars land. And then finally on September 16th is the let's Cruise, the Drag Nederland Avenue in Nederland, texas. So you can have a drag show in Nederland, texas.

Speaker 3:

Absolutely. So we got a car review coming up, michael, yeah, we do. I had a chance to drive the 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee L that's the long version Summit Reserve 4x4. I mean, that's a long name. It fills up the hotel gate whenever you go to put it on there. So this vehicle was first introduced in 2021. It's an extended version of the Grand Cherokee itself, so it's 12 inches longer, which makes this vehicle almost 17 feet long.

Speaker 3:

Wow, the sum in seven trim levels starts out with the Laredo, the altitude. There's the limited, the overland, the summit, and the Summit Reserve is the top of the line, which is the one that I had the chance to drive. Now, even though this thing has gotten bigger, it's still considered a mid-sized SUV. Three rows of seats On my left today I take our Toyota and the regular Grand Cherokee only has two, which I think is very nice, but by going a little bit longer, they added a third one. So now you have seven passenger vehicle. Now you're still gonna find the things that makes it a Jeep. Seven slot grills go to be up front. You're gonna find some LED lighting. You're gonna find all the things that you look for in a Jeep. Now this one also comes with the hands-free power liftgate. Since we're on the top level, it's got a little more luxury to it, even though it still has all the off-road capability that you're gonna find in a Jeep. We also happen to have the optional 21 by nine aluminum wheels on this vehicle, so it's got some really big tires and wheels in it Again, because this is an off-road capable vehicle maybe not as much as a regular Jeep because of the length, but it's there.

Speaker 3:

So you go to the interior and this thing is so big you got room to roam in it. It seems like Palermo leather seating in it. The front seats are heated and ventilated, front bucket seats. They also have massaging on the driver's side. The second row seats are ventilated, but there are bucket seats on the vehicle we happen to have. The third row is a 5050 power folding seat.

Speaker 3:

Up front you're gonna find a 10.1 inch touchscreen in the center of the dash. This is where you're gonna find your Uconnect 5 with a surround 360 degree camera, but it also has right next to it is the front passenger interactive display. Now, this the passenger can actually, instead of reaching over to the main screen that the driver would use, he can actually activate things change the radio station. It can do all kinds of things there that you could do on the main screen, except you can do it from the passenger seat. Now the driver also has a heads up display. That's a really nice setup. Works well in the daylight. To go along with a digital gauge cluster Now this we happen to have the 19,. This is an option, but it's well worth it. A 19 speaker Macintosh audio system with an 850 watt amp Wow, makes lots of noise inside that big vehicle Now again big vehicle, but we happen to have the 3.6 liter V6 engine.

Speaker 3:

You can get a V8 in this, but the V6 gives you 290 horsepower, 257 pound feet of torque, backed by an eight speed automatic transmission. Now towing with the V6, and we had the trailer towing package on it it's capable of towing 6,200 pounds, probably equipped, but you can. If you wanna take more, you step up to the V8, which will cost you some gas mileage and the cost of getting the engine, but you can tow 7,200 pounds of this vehicle. It'll haul a load. Now with the V6, the EPA says you should be looking for about 18 miles to the gallon of the city. The highway is 25 and combined you're looking at 21 miles to the gallon. Now you get out on the highway. In this vehicle we had the adaptive air suspension and you combine that, you know, so you can raise it up and lower it, you know, depending on if you're off-road you got on the highway has a lot to do with the aerodynamics of it. But you combine that with the long wheelbase and this thing that really kinda helps absorb all the road bumps and the ups and downs that you're gonna run into and it gives you a nice steady feeling ride. It's not firm, it's not harsh, but it's not wishy-washy and it doesn't just float around on you. So it's a pretty nice driver going down the road.

Speaker 3:

Now the base model price is $43,330. Now a base trim price on the L model is $65,710. We had a few options, so that puts the MSRP on this particular vehicle up to $76,280. If you're looking for something to compare it to, on the Passport base price to get into that mid-size SUV is $41,110,. But you come over to the Kia Telluride, which is also a three-road vehicle, at $35,890, or the Mazda CX-9 that I think Don's talked about a couple of times $38,750, and that's also another three-road vehicle. So, all in all, this is a Jeep Grand Cherokee. It's just a nice vehicle and that's my review of the 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Reserve 4x4. Thank you, mike.

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